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SgtPowerPickle On August 05, 2017




, Indiana
#16New Post! Mar 18, 2017 @ 11:03:11
@Erimitus Said

Currency = Money?



Yes. Money. Or the power of money.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#17New Post! Mar 18, 2017 @ 16:35:39
@Jennifer1984 Said

Back, and to the left......... back, and to the left...... back, and to the left.....

The image of the President's head being blown open and thrown backwards to the left is, for me, the single most damning piece of evidence.

The Zapruder film clearly shows the President being struck by a shot fired from in front on a ground level trajectory. Ballistically it is not feasible for the fatal third shot to have been fired by LHO. The evidence of the Zapruder film is quite conclusive in my opinion and clearly indicates a shot fired from the area of the picket fence on the grassy knoll.

For me, these factors make it, not only impossible for a single shooter sited where LHO is alleged to have fired from, but also they make the official version of events simply not feasible. I doubt very much that any official enquiry into such an event today could possibly come to the same conclusion.

Other questions also arise, such as how many rounds were really fired. One witness standing by an underpass was hit by fragments when a round hit the concrete wall he was standing next to. Eye witnesses said they heard more than three shots.... and later told reporters that their evidence was falsified and tampered with in the final version of the Warren Commission's report, to say they only heard three.

The evidence of wounds to Governor Connolly give rise to the ludicrous "Magic Bullet" scenario. Again, the Zapruder film squelches the official version of events. Even a bullet zig-zagging crazily around by pinging off hard surfaces inside the car can't hang motionless in the air for nearly two seconds before resuming movement and causing more wounds to passengers in the vehicle. Again, it is simply not feasible.

That few seconds of cine film is the most damning indictment of the Warren Commission's conclusions. For me, the most overwhelming evidence of a conspiracy involving more than one shooter is the view of the fatal third round. Whenever anybody ever says that Oswald acted alone, five words are all it takes to quash that statement....

Back, and to the left..... back, and to the left......


"The image of the President's head being blown open and thrown backwards to the left is, for me, the single most damning piece of evidence. "

I find it somewhat interesting that what for you is "the single most damning piece of evidence" that JFK was "struck by a shot fired from in front on a ground level trajectory" is in fact evidence that he wasnt!

You also say that "Ballistically it is not feasible for the fatal third shot to have been fired by LHO" when, if you actually understand wound ballistics, you would know that in the case of the JFK head shot the evidence very clearly is that what you assume to be the entry wound is in fact clearly the exit wound. But more on that shortly.

Two of your major claims appear to be that the bullet that struck Governor Connolly could not have been the same bullet that struck JFK and that the bullet that struck the POTUS was fired "from the area of the picket fence on the grassy knoll." Let us look at each of your claims.

Firstly let's examine your "magic bullet" assertion. That being that in order for the bullet to have struck JFK and then carried on to strike Governor Connolly it would have had to "hang motionless in the air for nearly two seconds before resuming movement and causing more wounds to passengers in the vehicle." Now your magic bullet comment is supposedly based on the Zapruder film. And yet this exact film clearly shows Governor Connolly reacting at the SAME time as JFK re the first shot to strike the POTUS. If you watch the film closely there is no two second delay. As for the "bullet zig-zagging crazily" I can only assume that you are under the incorrect belief that Governor Connolly was seated directly in-front of JFK and that his seat was at the same height as the President. It wasn't, and there is a mountain of evidence to prove this was not the case. In fact the Governor was seated offset to JFK's left whilst his seat was some inches lower that of the POTUS.

Using the latest 3D laser scanning technology experts have been able to create an incredibly accurate digital 3D representation of Dealey Plaza. Using this representation, in combination with the Zapruder film and Doppler radar, a clear trajectory can be traced from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository to Kennedy and then on to Governor Connolly. Furthermore, the entry wound suffered by Connolly is consistent with a bullet that is yawing. The only reason why the bullet would yaw would be if it had passed through physical matter. All of the evidence strongly suggests that this physical matter was JFK.

Your second point concerns the bullet that struck JFK in the head. Here you make the common mistake of assuming that when a bullet strikes a human being it results in a violent, observable reaction. This may be so in movies and tv shows where often when people are shot they are knocked off their feet or their head snaps back etc. This however is a very inaccurate representation of what happens in real life. So we are now talking about the difference btw movies and tv vs actual wound ballistics. The simple reality is that at the moment a bullet strikes a human being the transferred energy is actually relatively low and said energy actually lacks the force to violently change the position of a person or part thereof. Indeed, often when someone is first struck by a bullet there is very little, if any, perceivable change in their position. Your much valued "back, and to the left" movement is significant and violent and therefore entirely inconsistent with the result of the initial impact of a bullet on a human head. So rather than prove the shot came from the right and to the front it actually proves that it didn't. Indeed what the Zapruder film is showing is bullet fragments, skull, brain matter, tissue etc EXITING the front right of JFK's head.

Furthermore, when you have a high velocity bullet being fired from a rifle (assuming the ammunition and/or rifle are not defective) the said bullet is extremely stable. In this case the bullet was fully copper-jacketed and it was fired from an Italian military rifle. In flight the bullet is, as stated, extremely stable. So when it first strikes a person's head the entry wound is going to typically be of a size reasonably similar to the actual bullet itself. As a result of smashing through the hard bone of the skull the bullet tumbles and fragments. This causes a significant temporal cavity. The accompanying pressure, along with the destructive force of the bullet fragments and skull pieces result in a large exit wound where you would expect to see a notable amount of blood, brain matter, tissue etc exiting the wound. This is exactly what you see in the Zapruder film. Indeed, the film shows this material EXITING JFK's head in an upward fashion and slightly to the right. What's more, eyewitness accounts of the amount and positioning of bullet and skull fragments, as well as brain matter, blood and tissue, are all consistent with JFK being shot in the head from the rear. Then there is the fact that whilst the upper right side of JFK's skull suffered catastrophic damage the left side was in reasonable condition. In other words, the film and the wound ballistics do NOT fit the contention that JFK was shot "from the area of the picket fence on the grassy knoll" (or indeed from any other position forward of, or to the side of the President).

As stated, all of the evidence very clearly tells us that the bullet that struck JFK in the head was fired from a position to the rear of the President. So again, once you move away from what happens in movies and tv shows you realise that the Zapruder film clearly shows the President being struck by a shot fired from an elevated position to his rear, and NOT from "in front on a ground level trajectory".

Now at this point you may still be clinging onto your precious "back, and to the left". You may well be thinking "so if JFK was shot in the back of the head why does his head move back and to the left?" Well the answer lies with basic wound ballistics, and with Newton's 3rd law of motion. When JFK is shot in the BACK of the head there is a sudden increase in inter-cranial pressure. Combined with bullet and skull fragments this forces a significant amount of brain matter, as well as tissue and blood, out of his head via the exit wound. The effect is essentially propulsive in nature and it results in a proportionate reaction. It is this reaction that is largely (perhaps even wholly) responsible for your "back and to the left". This propulsive action/reaction is a well documented effect when someone is struck in the head by a high velocity round. Additionally, it is possible that some of the "back and to the left" movement of the head may be the result of a neurological response.

You conclude by saying "For me, the most overwhelming evidence of a conspiracy involving more than one shooter is the view of the fatal third round. Whenever anybody ever says that Oswald acted alone, five words are all it takes to quash that statement....

Back, and to the left..... back, and to the left......"

Science however says that the most overwhelming evidence that destroys the conspiracy theory involving a shooter (or shooters) on the grassy knoll is in fact the view of the bullet that struck JFK in the head. Whenever anyone ever says JFK was shot in the head by someone on the grassy knoll (or from any position not behind him) then five words (and an understanding of wound ballistics) are all it takes to quash that statement...

Back, and to the left...back, and to the left..."
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#18New Post! Mar 19, 2017 @ 09:23:45
@shadowen Said

"The image of the President's head being blown open and thrown backwards to the left is, for me, the single most damning piece of evidence. "

I find it somewhat interesting that what for you is "the single most damning piece of evidence" that JFK was "struck by a shot fired from in front on a ground level trajectory" is in fact evidence that he wasnt!

You also say that "Ballistically it is not feasible for the fatal third shot to have been fired by LHO" when, if you actually understand wound ballistics, you would know that in the case of the JFK head shot the evidence very clearly is that what you assume to be the entry wound is in fact clearly the exit wound. But more on that shortly.

Two of your major claims appear to be that the bullet that struck Governor Connolly could not have been the same bullet that struck JFK and that the bullet that struck the POTUS was fired "from the area of the picket fence on the grassy knoll." Let us look at each of your claims.

Firstly let's examine your "magic bullet" assertion. That being that in order for the bullet to have struck JFK and then carried on to strike Governor Connolly it would have had to "hang motionless in the air for nearly two seconds before resuming movement and causing more wounds to passengers in the vehicle." Now your magic bullet comment is supposedly based on the Zapruder film. And yet this exact film clearly shows Governor Connolly reacting at the SAME time as JFK re the first shot to strike the POTUS. If you watch the film closely there is no two second delay. As for the "bullet zig-zagging crazily" I can only assume that you are under the incorrect belief that Governor Connolly was seated directly in-front of JFK and that his seat was at the same height as the President. It wasn't, and there is a mountain of evidence to prove this was not the case. In fact the Governor was seated offset to JFK's left whilst his seat was some inches lower that of the POTUS.

Using the latest 3D laser scanning technology experts have been able to create an incredibly accurate digital 3D representation of Dealey Plaza. Using this representation, in combination with the Zapruder film and Doppler radar, a clear trajectory can be traced from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository to Kennedy and then on to Governor Connolly. Furthermore, the entry wound suffered by Connolly is consistent with a bullet that is yawing. The only reason why the bullet would yaw would be if it had passed through physical matter. All of the evidence strongly suggests that this physical matter was JFK.

Your second point concerns the bullet that struck JFK in the head. Here you make the common mistake of assuming that when a bullet strikes a human being it results in a violent, observable reaction. This may be so in movies and tv shows where often when people are shot they are knocked off their feet or their head snaps back etc. This however is a very inaccurate representation of what happens in real life. So we are now talking about the difference btw movies and tv vs actual wound ballistics. The simple reality is that at the moment a bullet strikes a human being the transferred energy is actually relatively low and said energy actually lacks the force to violently change the position of a person or part thereof. Indeed, often when someone is first struck by a bullet there is very little, if any, perceivable change in their position. Your much valued "back, and to the left" movement is significant and violent and therefore entirely inconsistent with the result of the initial impact of a bullet on a human head. So rather than prove the shot came from the right and to the front it actually proves that it didn't. Indeed what the Zapruder film is showing is bullet fragments, skull, brain matter, tissue etc EXITING the front right of JFK's head.

Furthermore, when you have a high velocity bullet being fired from a rifle (assuming the ammunition and/or rifle are not defective) the said bullet is extremely stable. In this case the bullet was fully copper-jacketed and it was fired from an Italian military rifle. In flight the bullet is, as stated, extremely stable. So when it first strikes a person's head the entry wound is going to typically be of a size reasonably similar to the actual bullet itself. As a result of smashing through the hard bone of the skull the bullet tumbles and fragments. This causes a significant temporal cavity. The accompanying pressure, along with the destructive force of the bullet fragments and skull pieces result in a large exit wound where you would expect to see a notable amount of blood, brain matter, tissue etc exiting the wound. This is exactly what you see in the Zapruder film. Indeed, the film shows this material EXITING JFK's head in an upward fashion and slightly to the right. What's more, eyewitness accounts of the amount and positioning of bullet and skull fragments, as well as brain matter, blood and tissue, are all consistent with JFK being shot in the head from the rear. Then there is the fact that whilst the upper right side of JFK's skull suffered catastrophic damage the left side was in reasonable condition. In other words, the film and the wound ballistics do NOT fit the contention that JFK was shot "from the area of the picket fence on the grassy knoll" (or indeed from any other position forward of, or to the side of the President).

As stated, all of the evidence very clearly tells us that the bullet that struck JFK in the head was fired from a position to the rear of the President. So again, once you move away from what happens in movies and tv shows you realise that the Zapruder film clearly shows the President being struck by a shot fired from an elevated position to his rear, and NOT from "in front on a ground level trajectory".

Now at this point you may still be clinging onto your precious "back, and to the left". You may well be thinking "so if JFK was shot in the back of the head why does his head move back and to the left?" Well the answer lies with basic wound ballistics, and with Newton's 3rd law of motion. When JFK is shot in the BACK of the head there is a sudden increase in inter-cranial pressure. Combined with bullet and skull fragments this forces a significant amount of brain matter, as well as tissue and blood, out of his head via the exit wound. The effect is essentially propulsive in nature and it results in a proportionate reaction. It is this reaction that is largely (perhaps even wholly) responsible for your "back and to the left". This propulsive action/reaction is a well documented effect when someone is struck in the head by a high velocity round. Additionally, it is possible that some of the "back and to the left" movement of the head may be the result of a neurological response.

You conclude by saying "For me, the most overwhelming evidence of a conspiracy involving more than one shooter is the view of the fatal third round. Whenever anybody ever says that Oswald acted alone, five words are all it takes to quash that statement....

Back, and to the left..... back, and to the left......"

Science however says that the most overwhelming evidence that destroys the conspiracy theory involving a shooter (or shooters) on the grassy knoll is in fact the view of the bullet that struck JFK in the head. Whenever anyone ever says JFK was shot in the head by someone on the grassy knoll (or from any position not behind him) then five words (and an understanding of wound ballistics) are all it takes to quash that statement...

Back, and to the left...back, and to the left..."



Utter bollocks.
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#19New Post! Mar 19, 2017 @ 09:40:41
Robert Lanza, Professor of Biocentrism at Wake Forest University in North Carolina says that death is an illusion and he uses Quantum Physics to prove it..!!


* He claims that biocentrism proves death is an illusion (Hey... Kennedy isn't dead after all..!!)

* He says that life created the universe, and not the other way round.

* This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does

* He uses the discredited double-split experiment to illustrate his point.

* If space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' either.


OK... we all know that theoretical physics such as that propounded by Professor Lanza can "prove" anything. You could use physics to "prove" that a twenty ton tank can balance on the tip of a pencil that is stood on its end. But anybody with any common sense knows it just can't be done.

Many people have offered theories about the Kennedy assassination. Some believe in a conspiracy, others attempt to scotch such claims. You pays your money you takes your choice.

Many of those who fancy the single gunman theory work for the US Government, CIA, FBI, etc and these people are paid to support that theory. Mostly, they wrap their arguments up in all sorts of theoretical hocus pocus and it's up to the individual whether or not they will swallow it.








PS..... Biocentrism comes from the Greek "Life Centre" and is the belief that life creates the universe.

For example: A person sees a blue sky, and is told that the colour they are seeing is blue, but the cells in a person's brain could be changed to make the sky look green or red.

Our consciousness makes sense of the world, and can be altered to change this interpretation.

In this way, Biocentrism and other theoretical arguments can put up a plausible argument the like of which is used to distort, discredit and manipulate what people see with their own eyes.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#20New Post! Mar 19, 2017 @ 10:16:19
@Jennifer1984 Said

Utter bollocks.




Clearly when dealing with you where ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise.
shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#21New Post! Mar 19, 2017 @ 10:21:25
@Jennifer1984 Said

Robert Lanza, Professor of Biocentrism at Wake Forest University in North Carolina says that death is an illusion and he uses Quantum Physics to prove it..!!


* He claims that biocentrism proves death is an illusion (Hey... Kennedy isn't dead after all..!!)

* He says that life created the universe, and not the other way round.

* This means space and time don't exist in the linear fashion we think it does

* He uses the discredited double-split experiment to illustrate his point.

* If space and time aren't linear, then death can't exist in 'any real sense' either.


OK... we all know that theoretical physics such as that propounded by Professor Lanza can "prove" anything. You could use physics to "prove" that a twenty ton tank can balance on the tip of a pencil that is stood on its end. But anybody with any common sense knows it just can't be done.

Many people have offered theories about the Kennedy assassination. Some believe in a conspiracy, others attempt to scotch such claims. You pays your money you takes your choice.

Many of those who fancy the single gunman theory work for the US Government, CIA, FBI, etc and these people are paid to support that theory. Mostly, they wrap their arguments up in all sorts of theoretical hocus pocus and it's up to the individual whether or not they will swallow it.








PS..... Biocentrism comes from the Greek "Life Centre" and is the belief that life creates the universe.

For example: A person sees a blue sky, and is told that the colour they are seeing is blue, but the cells in a person's brain could be changed to make the sky look green or red.

Our consciousness makes sense of the world, and can be altered to change this interpretation.

In this way, Biocentrism and other theoretical arguments can put up a plausible argument the like of which is used to distort, discredit and manipulate what people see with their own eyes.


So are you really attempting to use a Professor of Biocentrism to refute multiple, independent studies by world renowned forensic scientists specializing in ballistics?

It's obvious you have NO practical experience with firearms, and it's equally obvious that your beliefs on wound ballistics come from movies and tv shows.
Jennifer1984 On July 20, 2022
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#22New Post! Mar 19, 2017 @ 12:51:56
@shadowen Said

So are you really attempting to use a Professor of Biocentrism to refute multiple, independent studies by world renowned forensic scientists specializing in ballistics?

It's obvious you have NO practical experience with firearms, and it's equally obvious that your beliefs on wound ballistics come from movies and tv shows.


And which world renowned forensic scientists would they be? You didn't name a single one. Nor did you cite a single accredited source.

I'd be interested to read what your qualifications in the field of ballistics are. Where did you study the subject and what qualifications did you obtain..?

I suspect (I'm speculating here) that your experience probably extends to little more than shooting a few helpless bunnies for fun, when they became trapped in that rather long fence you have stretching from one side of the country to the other. Great "sport" for you, I'm sure.

And as for never having used a firearm myself, I will confirm that you are correct in that assumption. I am immensely proud to say that I have never used a firearm and I'd go further and say that I have absolutely no intention of ever doing so.

But getting back to the subject at hand. What I did do was to use information that is in the common public domain and is well known to everybody and place my own interpretation of that, not attempt to baffle the audience with bulls***.

The reason for pointing out Professor Lanza's theories was to highlight how any argument can be put forward and made to sound plausible if the audience is susceptible to such hokum.

As I said before, many people have many observations, theories and propositions on the subject for many reasons and in support of many interested parties.

But if you just go rattling off, making all sorts of unsupported, unverified and un-referenced assertions, then you can't be surprised when you're treated like an amateur.

Leave science to the scientists. I believe you have some in Aussie......




shadowen On March 22, 2024




Bunyip Bend, Australia
#23New Post! Mar 19, 2017 @ 21:52:32
"But getting back to the subject at hand. What I did do was to use information that is in the common public domain"
And I'm sure next you will be using information that is in the common public domain to prove that Elvis is still alive and singing in karaoke clubs in Soho

"and place my own interpretation of that"
An interpretation based on zero experience but influenced no doubt by tv shows and movies!

"not attempt to baffle the audience with bulls***."
The fact you think it to be bulls*** just shows how ignorant you are.

"The reason for pointing out Professor Lanza's theories was to highlight how any argument can be put forward and made to sound plausible if the audience is susceptible to such hokum."
You mean like a shooter on the grassy knoll!

"...go rattling off, making all sorts of unsupported, unverified and un-referenced assertions"
What like how "back and to the left" proves a shooter on the grassy knoll?
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