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twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#16New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 15:53:43
( c) Her life wouldn't have been worth much after her release.

she had her employer would come after where ever she would goes.

her employer had contacts in prison, she would be kill in prison. so if she was release , she would have a contract on her.

now, she would be likely to kill herself or fight back to survive. that more of storyline than fall off a ledge.

it is a disappointing end that she would kill herself. that why I am problems accept a soap opera would disappointing their fans with louse ending than they could something better for her.
DuLu On January 11, 2017
CHOOSE HAPPINESS!!!





Waverly, Washington
#17New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 19:44:24
What you seem to be saying here is 'based on the perception of the individual' their life is not worth much --- and therefore, they choose to end it. More about the individual's perception of themselves, then about how society views them.

Is one selfish if they make choices that are right for them, rather then for the greater good, or the family, the team, the business?

Most people do say and do things (when they don't want to), because it's the right thing to do, and they want to be responsible and accountable people. But this is still a 'choice' that each person makes.

Who's to say or judge what is right or not right for another person, when they/one has not lived their life, been inside their heads, walked in their shoes?

No judging/dissing here, just putting this out there - as a
'but ...., 'maybe....., or 'what if.....?





@Conflict Said

As you wish. Let's contemplate life after the the prison term for someone sentenced to prison for life, if they were ever paroled. I don't think it's very likely that someone convicted of murder, and of trying to carry on as normal as if nothing had happened, would be very popular once they were released. Employers would be skeptical, or at the very least, doubt that the murderer would not kill again. The chances of a leopard changes its spots are non-existent and people taming their inner wolf or whatever you want to call it, are too. People are the way they are, how life makes them and they may evolve, but I don't think they change.

Now, life in prison without release would amount to the kind of oppression that psychoskunk has referred to. Cuts to services, bad food, etc. This wouldn't amount to anything much. Also, think about the treatment said person would receive at the hands of the inmates.

So that is why I say the person's life wouldn't be worth much after getting a life sentence, that suicide would be a viable alternative, which is why I believe the death penalty is fair and just. Better to go with dignity and free the world of any more killing, than to stay and risk the loss of your reputation, the trust of your peers.

Does this answer your question?
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#18New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 20:02:08
@DuLu Said

What you seem to be saying here is 'based on the perception of the individual' their life is not worth much --- and therefore, they choose to end it. More about the individual's perception of themselves, then about how society views them.

Is one selfish if they make choices that are right for them, rather then for the greater good, or the family, the team, the business?

Most people do say and do things (when they don't want to), because it's the right thing to do, and they want to be responsible and accountable people. But this is still a 'choice' that each person makes.

Who's to say or judge what is right or not right for another person, when they/one has not lived their life, been inside their heads, walked in their shoes?

No judging/dissing here, just putting this out there - as a
'but ...., 'maybe....., or 'what if.....?



yes, I think the op is saying. I don't this situation is " maybe " or " what if " to me.

to me, she probably was going fall off the ledge either way, so I don't think she was going to coming suicide.

either way, she was dead.

she already had death warren on her head.

the question who execute death warren?

she or them?
DuLu On January 11, 2017
CHOOSE HAPPINESS!!!





Waverly, Washington
#19New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 20:30:20
she, of course.

Ya can lead a woman to life in prison,
but ya can't___________________________ (fill in the blank).



@twilitezone911 Said

yes, I think the op is saying. I don't this situation is " maybe " or " what if " to me.

to me, she probably was going fall off the ledge either way, so I don't think she was going to coming suicide.

either way, she was dead.

she already had death warren on her head.

the question who execute death warren?

she or them?
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#20New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 20:33:18
@DuLu Said

she, of course.

Ya can lead a woman to life in prison,
but ya can't___________________________ (fill in the blank).



yes, you can't lead to her death.

many ways, unless she want you to do so.
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#21New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 20:36:18
she wasn't trapped on the ledge.

she still run away from them.

she wouldn't be try to kill herself, she would try to live.
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#22New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 21:29:32
@Conflict Said

I believe there are cases when we can't reject suicide as a possible outcome. I would like to outline them, for example...

I remember from an episode in Comissarrio Montalbano a scene where he confronts the killer on a piece of the land overlooking a construction site and after she walks backwards off the ledge, falling to her death in the construction pit some 100 feet below. As she does this, he runs forward in a vain attempt to stop her and he says, "no!"

Now, let's consider the circumstances, shall we? Had this person gone with the Comisario, she would've received a life sentence, after which life would have been harder for her. Her employers would have been distrustful, or at the very least suspicious of her.

Also, think of the tax payer's money that would be wasted. I don't think people would be very happy with one more murderer being jailed, housed and fed, on their money, so in the end, I believe her suicide was a necessary act because...

a) She wouldn't kill again.

b) She'd avoid upsetting people because part of their income tax went to feed her.

c) Her life wouldn't have been worth much after her release.



the first thing , I thought the famous series finale last scene of tv show " the fugitive ".

kimble confronted the one arm man , the killer of his wife, the man framed kimble murder his wife.

kimble and the one arm man fighting on ferris wheel at closed carnival. so kimble was fighting, Lt. Philip Gerard - the cop who escorting kimble to prison, that fate one night, change kimble's life forever. when the train derailed let him escape.

lt. have track kimble for the last final exchange the night, he will take kimble to justice. Gerald has the rifle that one arm man drop from the ferris wheel that he had in his arm aim at the two above. he waiting for a clear shot.

Gerald believe kimble is innocent, he doesn't know if kimble will one arm man. then one arm man knock down kimble and he star chocking kimble. then, without any choice, Gerald shoot the one arm man. then the one arm man fall over from the wheel and land a couple of feet from Gerald.

the lest scene of the series, when kimble walked out of the count building as a free man.

this what I was thinking above. the scenario above. so I turn on the tv , I saw this tv show at this scene.

most like is that Spanish tv channel that all Spanish. I don't what they talking about, I don't speak Spanish, and no English subtitles. but the woman is hot looking, I isa watching!

by what I see a women on a construction site on a ledge on a roof. right? a man is approach her to me, she looks trap up there.

then she jump off the ledge, I would assume that had no choice but try escaping with no opinion but to jump to her death.

by watching , I would assume if she had a gun or not a gun in her hand to defend her from this man.

when she jump backward to her death, not know spainish , what we were saying.

my conclusion is that she jumped because of fear of the man and she no choice but to jump.

no way, or indication, that jump was suicidal.
DuLu On January 11, 2017
CHOOSE HAPPINESS!!!





Waverly, Washington
#23New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 21:45:41
like I hear about 'death by policeman'
(or whatever it is called, not sure if I have the term right)
- the person (man usually) wants to die but too chicken to take
their own life, so they try to 'force' the police to shoot them ---
and then of course the public goes crazy that the police killed a
man who was really no threat to them, because they a) didn't have a
real gun, or b) they were only reaching for something that was non-lethal.
Like the policeman/woman is supposed to know that, right?
Whewwww, that's a pretty long sentence.

Just saying

Today must be my 'opinionated' Friday.
Fixin' to leave and go out and about, get a few things done.

@twilitezone911 Said

yes, you can't lead to her death.

many ways, unless she want you to do so.
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#24New Post! Jun 24, 2016 @ 21:52:41
@DuLu Said

like I hear about 'death by policeman'
(or whatever it is called, not sure if I have the term right)
- the person (man usually) wants to die but too chicken to take
their own life, so they try to 'force' the police to shoot them ---
and then of course the public goes crazy that the police killed a
man who was really no threat to them, because they a) didn't have a
real gun, or b) they were only reaching for something that was non-lethal.
Like the policeman/woman is supposed to know that, right?
Whewwww, that's a pretty long sentence.

Just saying

Today must be my 'opinionated' Friday.
Fixin' to leave and go out and about, get a few things done.



I agreed that a better example that ones, I been giving.
Conflict On about 14 hours ago




Alcalá de Henares, Spain
#25New Post! Jul 04, 2016 @ 21:34:52
@Eaglebauer Said

Ah, so to you, the worth of a person's life and if he should live or die is based on his popularity in society? Where is that line? Should a twenty year old who has never committed murder but is not popular consider suicide a viable option as well? How about a fifteen year old? How about a ten year old who doesn't like that he has to do homework and isn't popular in school?

You are making a lot of very dangerous leaps in thinking and very broad assumptions, which should not be a process involved in dealing with whether or not someone ought to live or die.

And I wonder if you've researched at all how many convicted murderers have been later released and gone on to live productive lives?

*SPOILER ALERT* -- I have and it's pretty damaging to your argument.



Have you ever known anyone personally who has been in prison? Have you ever been to prison?

Actually...let me back up on that and ask a different question.

Let's imagine a theoretical person. He doesn't know you, has never met you, and has no life experience that is comparable to yours. When he looks at your life, he cannot in his mind imagine how you could ever be happy or fulfilled and doesn't believe that anything in your life is worthwhile.

Is this person qualified to decide for you whether or not your life is worth anything?

Is anyone qualified to determine for someone else if his or her life is worth something, or is that a decision that should be left to an individual to decide for him or herself?

I understand the point you are making, I just don't agree that you are qualified to determine what someone else's life is worth. And I'm not saying that specifically of you, I am also not qualified to make those sorts of determinations.

I don't have much issue with the idea that a person may choose suicide or claim authority over the worth of his or her own life, I have issue with your idea that one person can claim authority over the worth of another person's life.


Please, show me the evidence you are referring to. I am most curious as to how a murderer would be reformed and go on to lead a productive life. No sarcasm is intended. I really do what to see your proof of this.

I claim no authority over any life. I only wish to point out that taking one's life is preferable to coming out of a rough den and facing a world that would be mistrustful of that person. If he or she killed once, lightning could strike twice and the victim wouldn't get the same chance to make good on her behaviour as the ex-con would be given. Don't you think this would cross people's minds?
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#26New Post! Jul 05, 2016 @ 03:11:11
I don't that is true that someone who kill once, wouldn't kill a second time.

he would be force to kill a second time to cover he or his tracks. or the person, who find out that he or she would tell the authorizes. the killer would kill to protect him or herself out of self preservation.

I think normally I think someone kill someone is out of revenge. but I think if someone does is more of defend himself or herself.

I think the guilty the first killing is the major factor, unless the person is sociopath. that would mean killing, mean nothing to him or her. and would kill again and again to protect himself or herself.

I think the a normal person, kill once. probably would do anything, he or she could not do anything to kill again.

one possible would kill himself or herself fist.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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Saint Louis, Missouri
#27New Post! Jul 05, 2016 @ 17:28:11
@Conflict Said

Please, show me the evidence you are referring to. I am most curious as to how a murderer would be reformed and go on to lead a productive life. No sarcasm is intended. I really do what to see your proof of this.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/mar/09/rehabilitation-murder-jon-venables

https://listverse.com/2014/01/06/10-exemplary-tales-of-ex-convicts-who-turned-their-lives-around/ (the first entry on this list)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/22/edlington-brothers-bulger-rehabilitation

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/11/08/can-teen-killers-be-rehabilitated.html

https://www.lifeaftermurder.com/five-men/ (click on the "five men" tab at the top of the page here)

That's just me scratching the surface. The two that don't hyperlink can be pasted into your browser and they will work.

I'm not sure why it is so hard for you to believe that someone who commits murder isn't automatically beyond rehabilitation. Not everyone who kills another person is a psychopath or otherwise remorseless. You have a pattern of categorizing people very broadly. I don't expect my saying so will change any of that though because I don't think you will take it to heart.




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I claim no authority over any life.


Then you should probably take back this part of your original post:

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c) Her life wouldn't have been worth much after her release.


...where you claim authority over whether someone else's life has much worth.

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I only wish to point out that taking one's life is preferable to coming out of a rough den and facing a world that would be mistrustful of that person.


This is not only pure opinion on your part, it's also pure speculation on your part as you've never been in that situation and don't have any experience to draw from.

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If he or she killed once, lightning could strike twice and the victim wouldn't get the same chance to make good on her behaviour as the ex-con would be given. Don't you think this would cross people's minds?


It probably would cross people's minds, but now you're talking about something that I am not. I said very clearly in my last post that I don't have much issue with a person's individual right to decide whether or not he or she will commit suicide (even though there is a philosophical landmine attached to that argument).
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