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| tariki Deleted ![]() , United Kingdom | #46 @ThePainefulTruth Said ![]() I'm really sorry, but the "Yes of Being" and "uniting the Yes of my own freedom", etc. seems like a smoke screen, or at least it is for me. Could you possibly put that in your own words. I have done, many times on this forum. Yet is seems plain enough once we are able to recognise that what is experienced as "becoming" by us is in fact the unveiling of "being" (or non-being!) It is only to see "both/and" rather than "either/or"......."both/and" being far more able to encompass a reality that is ultimately beyond words to express. Sorry if such seems a smoke screen, but bit is really quite simple. It is the strict allegiance to words themselves, as always identifying something specific that exists that is the real smokes screen. | |||||||
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| tariki Deleted ![]() , United Kingdom | #47 Maybe a few more words are called for? For me there is one reality, ultimately ineffable ( all that can truly be experienced of it is beyond words ) That reality is spontaneous creativity, pure freedom. It is the YES that Merton speaks of. Our "salvation/enlightenment" consists in united ourselves with this. I have said many times before that to equate such a reality with what we human beings would say is "love" can only ever be an act of faith, in as much as only a fool would seek to deny the sheer extent of human suffering (and not just human) of our world. Therefore, that finding meaning in suffering is the heart of the question posed to us as human beings. I still live with many questions, even contradictions in my outlook. Sometimes we need to do so - at least, I do - when we must needs give witness to various aspects of existence that appear to be "real" and meaningful, yet at a certain level would appear to be contradictions. Yet many eminent people have said that sometimes we must live with such, and they are resolved at a higher level.......or sometimes we find that our questions themselves are at fault, as posing false dichotomies. | ||||||
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GreatestIam2![]() Ottawa, Canada | #48 @townie_guy Said ![]() Where as the bible has never been proved it has never been disproved either. I don't think the Koran has been proved either. Only one with a lot of useless time and no life would try to prove that there are no talking snakes and donkeys or seven headed monsters. It is to those who make the claim that there are such to make their case, not to others to show that they are lying. Regards DL | ||||||
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GreatestIam2![]() Ottawa, Canada | #49 @ThePainefulTruth Said ![]() Yes. He would be if He did, but He doesn't. As I keep saying, He doesn't interfere--ergo, He can't lie. Only man can do that. Thanks for this. Note how MCB ran from the question. To your "He doesn't". That is not true as far as scriptures say. Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chron 18:22 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jer 4:10 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. Thessalonians 2:11 To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy. Regards DL | ||||||
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GreatestIam2![]() Ottawa, Canada | #50 @ThePainefulTruth Said ![]() He doesn't know what we're going to do because we have free will (if He knew, we wouldn't have it), and, if He exists, He does not interfere in order to preserve that free will. . You ignore a lot of scripture. Watch him interfere. link [www.youtube.com] Regards DL | ||||||
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| ThePainefulTruth Verum est Deus Deleted ![]() Peoria, Arizona | #51 @GreatestIam2 Said ![]() You ignore a lot of scripture. Watch him interfere. link [www.youtube.com] Regards DL Scripture is manmade, not divine revelation. The most profound "scripture" ever written on the Word of God: “It is only in the CREATION that all our ideas and conceptions of a Word of God can unite. The Creation speaketh an universal language.... It is an ever-existing original, which every man can read. It cannot be forged; it cannot be counterfeited; it cannot be lost; it cannot be altered; it cannot be suppressed. It does not depend upon the will of man whether it shall be published or not; it publishes itself from one end of the earth to the other. It preaches to all nations and to all worlds; and this Word of God reveals to man all that is necessary for man to know of God.” —Thomas Paine The only time God ever interfered, if God exists, was the last time, just prior to the first instant of the universe. And it was not the non-interfering God that was on trial in your link, it was the God of Biblical scripture, the man-made, personal, interfering God which was on trial, and found to be evil and wanting. There was no covenant except that invented in the minds of the Israelites. It's the same with all "revealed" religions. | |||||||
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GreatestIam2![]() Ottawa, Canada | #52 @ThePainefulTruth Said ![]() Yes. He would be if He did, but He doesn't. As I keep saying, He doesn't interfere--ergo, He can't lie. Only man can do that. Yes, but He want something from us which He can't get by leading us to it. We must choose it on our own. Thanks for condemning God with me. Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chron 18:22 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jer 4:10 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. Thessalonians 2:11 To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy. Regards DL | ||||||
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| ThePainefulTruth Verum est Deus Deleted ![]() Peoria, Arizona | #53 What are you talking about. Quote: Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. 1Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets. 2 Chron 18:22 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people. Jer 4:10 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. Ezekiel 14:9 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. Thessalonians 2:11 To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy. So, it says it in the Bible, therefore the Bible is proven correct. You have officially become a brick wall. I understand your desperation. That's why they call it the paineful Truth. | |||||||
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GreatestIam2![]() Ottawa, Canada | #54 Thanks for the knee jerk reaction when confirming that your God is a liar. Regards DL | ||||||
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