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Forum Index > News & Politics > Environment | >> Questions for Tree Huggers | | |
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WeNowSix
Über-Meister
2044 points
87/F/Anaheim, California
Join Date: Aug 2009 | KAMPA said:
You begin your thread by insulting us,calling us tree huggers! That puts me in the frame of mind of being an adversary! Anyway it is too late to effect the outcome of global warming,nothing will stop it or slow it to any appreciable extent. I know from your tone that you don't believe it exists. Since you say you are 87 it will not matter to you! You will be dead by the time the catastrophe arives!
Like my old grandpappy used to say, "Yal caint be insulted lessin yal volunteer for it, and thems that claim to be insulted jus wanna avoid da issue."
The tree huggers have raised the issue. To settle the issue, they want to eliminate the use of fossil fuels. I want to know if any tree huggers have considered any of the several alternatives. |  | |
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curiouskat
Minister+
10381 points
30/F/Adelaide, Australia
Join Date: May 2009 |
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boxerdc
rumpledforeskin
Ogler+
22920 points
48/M/Adelphi, District of Columbia
Join Date: Nov 2008 | WeNowSix said:
Like my old grandpappy used to say, "Yal caint be insulted lessin yal volunteer for it, and thems that claim to be insulted jus wanna avoid da issue."
The tree huggers have raised the issue. To settle the issue, they want to eliminate the use of fossil fuels. I want to know if any tree huggers have considered any of the several alternatives.
I'm sorry to say it, but your grandpappy sounds a bit ignorant.
And yes, this treehugger has considered several of the alternatives, and has implemented many of them himself. Most of us are willing to do the little things that will cause change without being forced to do it by our government.
Unfortunately, there are still people who feel the need to drive a Hummer to the supermarket, and they'll be the ones who scream the loudest when the government does eventually tell them that they're going to have to pay extra for that.
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WeNowSix
Über-Meister
2044 points
87/F/Anaheim, California
Join Date: Aug 2009 | boxerdc said:
I'm sorry to say it, but your grandpappy sounds a bit ignorant.
And yes, this treehugger has considered several of the alternatives, and has implemented many of them himself. Most of us are willing to do the little things that will cause change without being forced to do it by our government.
Unfortunately, there are still people who feel the need to drive a Hummer to the supermarket, and they'll be the ones who scream the loudest when the government does eventually tell them that they're going to have to pay extra for that.
Yeah, my ole grandpappy wasn't the the most well read man around, but he might have been correct about how people claim insult as a way to avoid answering.
I probably should have been clearer in my question, but I am looking for solutions that do not involve changing the use of fossil fuels.
My house heats water with solar collectors; our electricity comes from photovoltaic panels; and we cook in the daytime with solar ovens. These are the standard treehugger solutions to the global warming issue. These are fossil fuel solutions in that they avoid the use of fossil fuels. I want to know if our tree huggering friends can consider anything that allows the continued use of fossil fuels.
Edit: I should say that the so called green solutions on my house are not completely green. Almost for sure, fossil fuels were used to make the solar collectors and the photovoltaic panels. Very likely the aluminum reflectors in the solar ovens are made of aluminum smelted in Bahrain with electricity made from fossil fuel. | | | | Edited: November 08, 2009 @ 15:16 |  |
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WeNowSix
Über-Meister
2044 points
87/F/Anaheim, California
Join Date: Aug 2009 | boxerdc said:
What about the simple things like buying locally grown in season produce, recycling plastics and metals, driving cars that get better fuel efficiency, using CFL or LED lighting and living in a house that's a little cooler in winter and warmer in summer?
If we all did that we'd be healthier, and have a lot more money in our pockets to jump start our own economy. Plus we'd be putting a lot less carbon into the air, and a lot less money into the hands of countries that support terrorism.
If people want to do any of that, I suppose it's up to them.
I'm not a fan of using less energy for any reason other than saving money. Nature has way more energy than anyone will ever use. Using less energy only decreases investment, which make shortages more likely. I would never use CFL lamps because they contain mercury. I've had LED lights in my house for a long time. Years ago I invested in a company which wanted to market them. I've been a sort of guinea pig.
(Of course, I'm also a capitalist pig.)  
I wouldn't want to support any political restrictions on trade. Countries that produce oil have large poor populations. Refusing to buy their oil for political reasons might also increase terrorism.
Anyway, all of these things come from the standard environmentalist view of the problem, which always aims to decrease the use of fossil fuels. I'm asking if one might find a solution which allows the use of fossil fuels | | | |
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boxerdc
rumpledforeskin
Ogler+
22920 points
48/M/Adelphi, District of Columbia
Join Date: Nov 2008 | WeNowSix said:
Anyway, all of these things come from the standard environmentalist view of the problem, which always aims to decrease the use of fossil fuels. I'm asking if one might find a solution which allows the use of fossil fuels
I can't think of anyway to find a solution that allows the amount of use per person that we currently run at here in the US. There's carbon sequestering, but it's very very expensive right now, and currently can only pull a tiny fraction of a percent out of the atmosphere. Doesn't mean that we should abandon the process, because any process like that will get better and more economical over time.
All I can do right now that will make a difference is to use less. I don't need the government to tell me to use less, I do it because I'm cheap. And we're not as a country refusing to buy fossil fuels from terrorist nations, we would just be buying less. That would mean that their economies would have to adjust.
Buying less would also mean less of a presence in those countries, which I believe would be a good thing.
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jonnythan
Cucumber cowboy
Giant Donkey+
134461 points
100/M/The north,
Join Date: Aug 2005 | WeNowSix said:
Like I said before, our environmentalist friends have announced their objective. They want to stop or slow down temperature increase. They recommend a stratagem: eliminate use of all fossil fuel. I want to know if some other stratagem would be acceptable if it were to achieve the announced objective.
PS - My husband is looking over my shoulder. I bet you can guess why he's disgusted.
Well considering that adding CO2 to the atmosphere is the major problem, and we will be doing that as long as we are burning fossil fuels, then... ideally, no.
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fitzyp
Mega Über-Meister
3250 points
17/M/Auckland, New Zealand
Join Date: Nov 2008 | WeNowSix said:
I want to know if some other stratagem would be acceptable if it were to achieve the announced objective.
I've always proposed a tax on fossil fuels which would completely cover the emissions and other externalities produced by them. | | | |
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CFAW
Über-Commander
117 points
24/F/, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Nov 2009 | GoodPureEuro said:
Jesus christ !
When there is proof that nothing is going to happen you f***ing tea drinking little bastards still whine about it !
get over it... | | | |
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