Yeah because that's so much simpler than a captive breeding program

You make it sound as though captive breeding is easy. Not only do nonhuman animals often refuse to breed in prison, there is the difficult issue of reintroduction (assuming that's the idea and the notion of captive breeding is not just a cover for a zoological collection).


rogY

I never said it was easy, just a lot easier than habitat protection.

Sure, if the criteria is what's easy, then holding nonhumans captive for generations may be easier than the inevitable involvement in globalised politics in habitat protection.

However, I'm far from convinced that warehousing nonhuman animals so visitors can gawp at them is really any solution, and certainly involves rights violations from an animal rights p.o.v.


rogY

Not too sure about that there CK, but it certainly is the most important of the RURAL economies. I love reading vegan ideas and proposals, it's like Monty Python really, lol.
I mean no offence to any followers, but the overall trend of it is Utopian, and more suited to fiction than any serious discussion of the worlds options.
The one little detail they always dance around is that it is THIS society that gives them the freedom and ability to follow their dreams, without it the harsh realities of existence would soon see their extinction!

A rural economy is based on what people produce in rural areas. That does not have to involve harm or violence to others.

The "THIS society" point makes no sense.


rogY

Lions, tigers and bears eating the poor bunnies, huh? You've really thought your position through, I can tell

The issue is about the billions of gas factories we deliberately breed when we need not do so.


rogY

We do need to. I love steak.
I've got nothing against you deciding not to eat anything that comes from animals, but I'm going to continue to eat steak, and cheese, and drink milk..
And because of that, cows will continue to fart.

Isn't India mostly vegetarian?
I think it's because Hinduism promotes vegetarianism, and most people in India are Hindu. I could be attributing that to the wrong religion, I'm not sure, but the point remains: it is not unreasonable to think there could be a animal-suffering-conscience society. India is the second most populated country in the world, too isn't it, behind China. They have over 1 billion people, the majority of whom are vegetarian.

Why are you so anxious to be involved in violence? It cannot be good for you.


rogY

It's statements like this that force me to make fun of you.

Do you think that it helps to refer to cattle as non-humans?
Do you think that it helps to refer to eating beef as involvement in violence?

Because it doesn't.

I just like steak.. and cheese.. and milk.
And I'm not going to give them up, especially for someone who describes chickens as non-humans, and compares egg gathering to infanticide.

You misunderstand - I do not want you to do anything for me.

So, if "cattle" are not nonhuman animals, then what?

Do you think it is possible for a steak to arrive at your plate without violence being involved?

Killing is a pretty violent thing - even if you want to call it slaughter, you are still taking about stun guns and knives, and "sticking" and bleeding out.

How is that not violent?

rogY