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New Post! Oct 28, 2009 @ 21:14:23#16
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Pau_Diaz said:

We'd have to take a number of squirrels out of their natural habitat and selectively breed them to evolve into more humanoid creatures. Such a process would take a long time and if their natural abilities remained intact, they'd be even more of a threat. Imagine a squirrel empire or something like that.



i love it... the picture i have in my head from this is absoulutely fantastic... it starts out with a regular squirrel sitting innocently (or ominously) in a tree with dark music playing as we watch him holding his acorn... is he just thinking about that acorn, or is he planning to use the weapons we have taught him to hold to take out the human race? dun dun dun... scene switches to an army of squirrels marching into a destroyed city to kill any survivors as people scream and run from them...



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There is the other side of the coin - what if we were made to emulate animals ourselves, for example dress up in a fur suit, put a pair of whiskers and fake ears then pretend to be cats? How would we feel if the government did that to us? Would we like be made to live as another member of the mammal species?

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New Post! Oct 29, 2009 @ 17:17:10#18
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Pau_Diaz said:

Would we like be made to live as another member of the mammal species?



There would certainly (well, hopefully) be an outcry if human females were used like cow females are. Made pregnant with AI, children taken away so the baby food can be consumed by adults who are never weaned.


Odd really.


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New Post! Oct 29, 2009 @ 19:28:53#19
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rogy said:

There would certainly (well, hopefully) be an outcry if human females were used like cow females are. Made pregnant with AI, children taken away so the baby food can be consumed by adults who are never weaned.


Odd really.


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lol... i thought we were talking about teaching the animals stupid tricks and dressing them up? we're not forcing them to live through any of the harsher realities of humanity with these games, so to say it's the same as forcing a human to live through their harsher realities of other species is weak at best...

a better comparison would be to say that it's like dressing up a human in a dog suit and making them perform/get inspected at a show... and even that is weak, as the dogs don't have the capacity for embarrassment-- it's not degrading for them; it's fun- they enjoy doing the tricks and pleasing their master and getting their treats...



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New Post! Oct 29, 2009 @ 22:45:59#20
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You don't get out much, do you?



Haha, thats what Im saying



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New Post! Oct 31, 2009 @ 20:33:51#21
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Excuse me if I mentioned squirrels would be more of a threat. I actually like squirrels very much and used to feed them. I even had one eat on my leg and I stroked another on his head while he ate in front of me. I thin they're rather sweetr

What I meant to say was that armed, squirrels would be a threat, because of how they have much greater access to the environment. That and how that might shoot out people's eyes or ears. How'd we combat the soldier squirrels?

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New Post! Oct 31, 2009 @ 22:27:29#22
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wait... someone has trained squirrels to use firearms?




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New Post! Nov 01, 2009 @ 09:52:16#23
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No, this is just a theory. They could be trained in the use of firearms, if someone manufactured smaller versions of our weapons. The point here is that war between man and squirrel would escalate from one of indifference as a result of ignorance to a full scale conflict. Not that it'd be a bad thing because some people would deserve to have their asses kicked for being against such gentle creatures. We'd of course have to find some way to negotiate with the squirrels or they set up traps that could give us some nasty cuts and abrasions.

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are you insane?




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I am not insane. I am only speaking from the point of view from a fantasy writer. Was Ronald Dahl insane for writing about Witches or the BFG?

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Pau_Diaz said:

I am not insane. I am only speaking from the point of view from a fantasy writer. Was Ronald Dahl insane for writing about Witches or the BFG?



lol... no, he absolutely wasn't insane... and from that perspective i am loving this squirrel talk...

i just thought you were seriously arguing that we shouldn't teach animals these tricks because the squirrels will really take out humanity...



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Yeah, sometimes people post dumb or stupid videos on YouTube with animals doing tricks and such, but if they are not being mean to them, MEH Some a neat and amusing.

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and mankind will be laid to waste by the mighty squirrel...


FOAMY! Feel his Squirrelly Wrath!



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Pau_Diaz said:

There is the other side of the coin - what if we were made to emulate animals ourselves, for example dress up in a fur suit, put a pair of whiskers and fake ears then pretend to be cats? How would we feel if the government did that to us? Would we like be made to live as another member of the mammal species?



People that do that have a fetish. It`s known as Furries.



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I say we let the squirrels perform their own tricks. They are unique to the species as our abilities are unique to us. Squirrels' legs are designed too specifically to move on four legs, so making them stand errect for regular amounts of timecould affect their natural ability to jump, not to mention compromise their natural speed.

By the same token we could not jump forward the way they do without straining our muscles, especially our legs, since they're not nearly as flexible. We sure as hell aren't as good climbing, so we've got to consider how awkward it would be if we had to do what another species does, out of a natural freedom we were never born with.

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Pau_Diaz said:

No, this is just a theory. They could be trained in the use of firearms, if someone manufactured smaller versions of our weapons. The point here is that war between man and squirrel would escalate from one of indifference as a result of ignorance to a full scale conflict. Not that it'd be a bad thing because some people would deserve to have their asses kicked for being against such gentle creatures. We'd of course have to find some way to negotiate with the squirrels or they set up traps that could give us some nasty cuts and abrasions.



You hit on some very good points. I would love to address all of them but as it stands, I simply dont' have that kind of time.

1st.

I would like to point out the manufacturing capablity of said "war-like squirrels". Sure they may be trained to kill us using very small versions of our own weapons. But do they truely have the ablity to mass produce the guns with the little resources the average squirrel is going to encounter in his home. AKA a tree/bush/hole in ground.

I feel that the effective counter to the war like squirrels isn't to fight them. But to beat them with the way we won WW2, with economics and production. We would simply deny the squirrels the manufacturing capablity to produce the tiny guns and weapons.

2nd.

Squirrels are facinating geneticly already. I don't see bullets and weapons being an effective form of combat with other species. The reproductive capablity of squirrels is already so high that they could take a huge number of losses in a full scale war with other animals, that weapons wouldn't be needed. Strength as we all know comes in numbers. For example lets say you train a squrriel to use a gun, but training it takes nearly its entire life. Squirrels only live about 3 years on average. At some point you would need to be able to pass that knowledge faster from one squirrel to another. Its not a effective combat tactic to spend 90% of your life learning how to use a single weapon.

Thats where genetics comes in. They have done studdies on squirrels in the wild and how adult squirrels are almost immune to rattlesnake venom. They have documented squirrels being attacked by rattlesnakes and the squirrels not even backing down from a rattlesnake. They have video of squirrels attempting to be bitten by rattlesnakes, on purpose! Thier genetic code has given them the instinct to charge at a predetor and be bitten for the soul purpose to weed out the squirrels without a higher immunity to venom. And to counter that, the rattlesnakes will only eat if thier venom is infact of higher potency than their fellow rattle snakes.

Rattle snakes and squirrels are in a genetic arms race!

I feel if squirrels are going to have any edge in the up and comming human to squirrel wars. Human based weapons simply arn't going to be effective. They need to compete on a genetic level with us, something they are obviously very good at, by our observations with rattlesnakes.

Now... if you could cross breed a squirrel and a rattlesnake, and make it spit venom, that would be something. With the reproducive benifits of a squirrel and the venom of a rattlesnake... we humans would be outnumbered quickly... and with our low immunity to poison, we would totaly screwed.



SO... all and all.. gun toting squirrels not a good tactic. But mutated venom spitting squirrels... Well sir, I wouldn't want to see that day come.



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