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New Post! May 27, 2009 @ 14:45:44#46
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Couldn't agree more! I hate it when I try to hold the door open for a woman and she then yells at me and jumps on me by calling me sexist and thinking she's weak or feeble! It's just called being polite! I'm all for equality, but when people act like this, I'm not so sure I'm still for it!

On September 04, 2009
New Post! Aug 05, 2009 @ 17:44:52#47
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Femisim is also prevailent in TV series and movies, shows like Charmed and the Closer, it shows these petite women mopping the floor with guys in fights, which kinda funny, in real life it's different story, i seen this one police video where a female cop tried to arrest a suspect, the suspect turned around and beat the lady to a bloody pulp.
She now has a steel plate on her skull, and her jaw had to be totally rebuilt and is held togehter with steel pins and screws.

On November 19, 2009
New Post! Oct 22, 2009 @ 15:09:18#48
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claire said:

My point is do feminists seek equality or do they want to be better than men?



This feminist doesn't want to be better than men. I just want to be me. I just want a fair deal in life. I want the same opportunities, the same pay for the same work and to be able to dress as I please without being stared at like a lump of meat, or go to a football match without being shouted at to "Get ya tits out for the lads then, b****".

Your original post, Claire, makes a number of assumptions about modern feminism and you come across as stereotyping us all as a bunch of bra-burning, androgynous harridans who compete to see who can stick the knee in the most men's groins.

Feminism is far less militant now, than in the 1970's and hey, in any case, nobody ever actually burned their bra..!! That one was a total invention of the male dominated press of the day. Come on Claire, you know how much a decent bra costs... Would you burn yours..? I sure as heck wouldn't burn mine.

We have come a long way from those days, but inequality still exists. The glass ceiling still exists. Sexism still exists.

Rape still exists.

Nowadays we don't fight our battles in the streets though. We don't spray paint on walls nor do we harrass men at every opportunity. Rather nowadays we fight our battles through the legal processes.

We have plenty of legislation to use against those who abuse us and the feminist movement encourages women who have been unfairly or unjustly treated to use it. We offer encouragement to women to get out of abusive and / or violent relationships. No woman should be beaten to a bloody pulp by a man and then be so terrified that she tells the doctors who put her back together that she "Walked into a door".

Yes, it is true that some women are abusers too, but that is a male issue for them to deal with. That is not our business. Feminism discourages and condemns acts of abuse by women against men but it is up to men's organisations to seek redress.

Too many times women are discriminated against in the workplace. There are still too many cases of women being paid at lower rates than males for doing the same job. This is illegal and we have to encourage disadvantaged women to sue for their rights. That isn't disadvantaging men, or being anti-man, it is simply a case of addressing an injustice.

Rape is the worst, most evil crime a man can perpetrate on a woman short of killing her (and some are so traumatised by their experiences that they wish they had died) and only 5% of reported cases lead to a conviction. This is not acceptable. The reasons for this are many and varied, but at the very core of this appalling statistic is the fact that the criminal justice system, in rape, is heavily biased in favour of the man.

Would you report a rape if it happened to you, Claire..? Knowing what you were going to have to go through, with only a 1 in 20 chance of getting justice..? Would you want to have to go through having your worst nightmare relived....brought into the public gaze..? Would you want to be cross examined by hostile council, who can drag up your sexual history, portray you as being promiscuous.... that you asked for it.. that you wanted it really and are only bringing a prosecution now out of malice, while the man who raped you smiles at you from the dock, knowing he's very likely going to get away with it because at the end of the day it comes down to your word against his.

Women Against Rape have been fighting for women for more years than I have been alive but they have had very little success in getting the legal process changed. But they don't give up. Why do they keep going on...? Do you think it is because they want to help women who have suffered an appalling crime or do you think they are just man-hating lesbos..?

Where exactly are you coming from with your assertions, Claire..?

I was a feminist activist when I was at University. It opened my eyes to a lot of injustice that is still going on. I'm no longer active any more but I still believe in and support those who are trying to make this world a fairer, more just and humane place for women. They don't have any axe to grind against men simply for being men, they just want to put things right.

I work in a male dominated profession. I competed for my job with 50 other applicants and I was selected, not because they wanted a "token" female. I got the job because I was the best candidate. I've worked damned hard to establish myself and I've done pretty well if I say so myself. I respect my male colleagues who are all intelligent, skilled men with many years of experience which I do my best to learn from. They now respect me, not because I put posters up or fly a flag over my head, but because I buckle down and graft as hard as they do. I've earned their respect and that's how it should be.

That's what feminism stands for.


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On November 21, 2009
New Post! Nov 19, 2009 @ 04:26:24#49
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I think the main problem with feminists is that they want to have all the benefits of being a man and none of the downsides, and at the same time they want to keep all the benefits of being a woman and get rid of all the downsides.
In other words: they want the best of two worlds.

On November 22, 2009
New Post! Nov 19, 2009 @ 07:52:09#50
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ImBlue said:

I think the main problem with feminists is that they want to have all the benefits of being a man and none of the downsides, and at the same time they want to keep all the benefits of being a woman and get rid of all the downsides.
In other words: they want the best of two worlds.




And what, exactly, are the downsides of being a man, Blue..? I'd be interested to contrast and compare the physiological differences and the social disadvantages and employment disadvantages endured by the differing genders.

As for wanting the benefits of "being a man"..... I can assure you that in no way whatsoever do I want to "be a man". No, what I want is to be treated as a human being. I want to see a world where males and females are treated simply as humans, not one where I am disadvantaged and discriminated against simply because I am female.

AS for wanting to get rid of the "downsides" of femininity, again, I can only speak for myself, but I don't want to get rid of any part of my femininity. I like being female. Yes, I do have to suffer the monthly "curse" and I know that I can't run the hundred metres as quickly as a male of comparable age and fitness as myself. But I accept these things. These are a part of the things that make me a woman and I LIKE being a woman.

Feminism does not campaign for eradicating the menstrual cycle and does not campaign for handicapping men in sport so that males and females can compete together. In no way is feminism about women wanting to be men.

What feminism stands for is the equality of the genders in the home, in the workplace and in the social world. Equal pay for equal work. Is that unreasonable..? Respect for ourselves as human beings, where, when we marry we become an equal partner with our spouse, rather than his property. Is that unreasonable..? Where we can go out dressed as we please, or to socialise with whom we want and to not be insulted as "slags" or to be targeted by men as rape victims. Is that unreasonable..?

Those demands are not excessive and are not anti-male, rather, they are pro-human. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your post accuses feminists of wanting their cake and eat it. This is a fallacy that is perpetrated for the sake of mere gainsay. It is simply not true.

So I challenge you. Please explain exactly what are these "downsides" to being a man that you allude to...? What part of your gender is it that we want, without any of the hassle that you "endure" solely because of your masculinity..?

I'd be interested to discuss this with you.


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On November 21, 2009
New Post! Nov 20, 2009 @ 09:32:29#52
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claire said:

I hate feminism, because it's hypocritical. Feminists out there want to be treated equaly but they still want to be different.
And by somehow making men seem less then they actually are, thats considered a great achievement. But it's not equality!

Why can't feminists understand there'll never be a society were men and women are totally equal?

Females out there who think that by becoming CEO of a male dominate corporation is a step towards women becoming equal in society are dillusional. All you've done is simply showed other females out there that they can in deed be as good as men on the corporate ladder, but as far as contribute to male and female equity, you haven't done zip!

Men and women should work together, each excepting that there are roles out there that only men can do or should do, like it or not. Just like there are things females can do that men can't.



The differences between men and women are superficial anatomical assymetries, not enough to justify allocating different occupational roles to men and women. Feminists have done phenomenal work in fighting for equal rights for women, who have been inferior to men in almost every society for thousands of years, and they rarely receive a great deal of attention or praise.

Can you actually give examples of things that men can do that women can't and vice versa? People used to think that there were things white people could do that blacks couldn't, and now that kind of thinking is obsolete. It's a shame that attitudes towards gender haven't caught up yet.

And it's not that feminists want to be treated equally; they want women and men to be treated equally. Not all feminists are women.




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On November 22, 2009
Edited: November 20, 2009 @ 09:36
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