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sheepy
Monk+ 34170 points


42/M/Treasure Island, United Kingdo Join Date: Dec 2005 | Tako_400 said:
Just make the whole party illegal. It's the new Nazis in the making! Screw Freedom of Speech! Watch them grow and take over the government one day!
Nah, can't agree with you there.
The whole idea of democracy is freedom of choice. They have the freedom to spout their ideas, and the public should have the choice of defeating them at the ballot box.
It's a very slippery slope to start banning political parties. | | |
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claudibee
I will NOT!!
Ogler+ 20840 points Deleted


49/F/, United Kingdom Join Date: Oct 2008 | sheepy said:
Nah, can't agree with you there.
The whole idea of democracy is freedom of choice. They have the freedom to spout their ideas, and the public should have the choice of defeating them at the ballot box.
It's a very slippery slope to start banning political parties.
Agreed. If you set a precedent like that, you end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater. | | |
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deeFXCKINGjay
Debater+ 5444 points


16/NA/Doncaster, United Kingdom Join Date: Apr 2009 | The BNP are not bordering on Racist, they are, and always have been. They have foots in the neo-nazi National Front and stand for an all White Britain, something that only violence can achieve.
They do not exercise the concepts of modern democracy and therefore, in my opinion, should not be given the right to freedom of speech.
They breach European law, and advertise their breaking of it.
(In total over 15 million Jews, trade unionists, gypsies, Slavs, black, lesbian, gay and disabled people were murdered as a result of Nazi Germany’s murderous policies. Nick Griffin was convicted for inciting racial hatred after a BNP magazine he published denied the reality of the Holocaust.)
Many of their councillors are criminals or terrorists, at the last general election, they stood gang rapists and drug dealers as candidates, and only removed them when they were exposed as criminals.
and here are some sourced quotes for your enjoyment;
"Honestly now, would you prefer your kid growing up in Oldham and Burnley or 1930s Germany? It would be better for your child to grow up there.”
-Mark Collett, leader of the Young BNP on Channel 4 in 2004
“Meanwhile, the indigenous side in the low-to-medium level civil war brewing in this country is getting its training… It’s all going to get very messy.”
-Nick Griffin’s blog on BNP website
“Rape is simply sex. Women enjoy sex, so rape cannot be such a terrible physical ordeal… [It] is like suggesting forcefeeding a woman chocolate cake is a heinous offence.”
-Then BNP London organiser and GLA candidate, Nick Eriksen
"AIDS is “a friendly disease because blacks, drug users and gays have it.”
-Mark Collett, leader of the Young BNP on Channel 4 in 2004 | | | Edited: August 24, 2009 @ 17:43 | |
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Jacquesmetat
Points Whore 941 points


53/M/Gosport, United Kingdom Join Date: Aug 2009 | sue2 said:
I'm not a supporter of the BNP as I don't know enough about their party policies, but I'm a supporter of freedom of speach & feel they should be allowed to state their policies along with other political parties. Then people can make up their own minds.
They do have freedom of speech, Sue, and they have had every right to exercise it throughout every electoral campaign that they have taken part in. But the overwhelming majority of the British public find their message abhorrent and very quickly form their view on the undeniable (and undenied) policies of apartheid that they espouse.
They would turn coloured British people into second class citizens. Discriminated against, given less opportunity, given lower priority in areas such as housing, employment, education and health care. What next..? Black townships.?
Nick Griffin is a very eloquent man to listen to. He is intelligent, articulate and plausible. He knows the value of a softly spoken voice, a tidy haircut and a sharp suit. He has taken the BNP image away from its National Front roots of skinheads in Dr Marten boots. He's polished up their image, worded his arguments carefully and exploited social issues with his own propaganda. He's not stupid.
But the policies of the BNP show through quite clearly to anybody who takes five minutes to look beneath the Griffin Gloss. Scratch the surface of any dedicated BNP member and you will find a racist lurking beneath.
The thin veneer of respectability has been carefully cultivated and the exploitation of certain political issues has won them a number of votes amongst people who don't look very deeply into their politics, and are easily swayed by shallow arguments but ask yourself if you would like to live in a country goverened by these people. Really, consider that question seriously. | | |
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hedkandi1984_21
Ogler+ 24044 points


25/F/Plymouth, United Kingdom Join Date: Nov 2006 | diomedes said:
Should they change their name to the "British National Socialist Party"?
Socialism has nothing whatsoever to with racism, so why would they do that?
It's about time legal proceedings were made against them! However, as long as the party remains, I don't see them taking on ethnic minority members. And I can't think of a single person in the ethnic minority group who would want to join up! | | |
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diomedes
Über Master Debater+ 8540 points


17/M/Long Beach, California Join Date: Oct 2007 | hedkandi1984_21 said:
Socialism has nothing whatsoever to with racism, so why would they do that?
It was a reference to the National Socialist German Workers' Party | | |
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sue2
Über-Meister+ 2164 points


59/F/cornwall, United Kingdom Join Date: Jul 2009 | Jacquesmetat said:
They do have freedom of speech, Sue, and they have had every right to exercise it throughout every electoral campaign that they have taken part in. But the overwhelming majority of the British public find their message abhorrent and very quickly form their view on the undeniable (and undenied) policies of apartheid that they espouse.
They would turn coloured British people into second class citizens. Discriminated against, given less opportunity, given lower priority in areas such as housing, employment, education and health care. What next..? Black townships.?
Nick Griffin is a very eloquent man to listen to. He is intelligent, articulate and plausible. He knows the value of a softly spoken voice, a tidy haircut and a sharp suit. He has taken the BNP image away from its National Front roots of skinheads in Dr Marten boots. He's polished up their image, worded his arguments carefully and exploited social issues with his own propaganda. He's not stupid.
But the policies of the BNP show through quite clearly to anybody who takes five minutes to look beneath the Griffin Gloss. Scratch the surface of any dedicated BNP member and you will find a racist lurking beneath.
The thin veneer of respectability has been carefully cultivated and the exploitation of certain political issues has won them a number of votes amongst people who don't look very deeply into their politics, and are easily swayed by shallow arguments but ask yourself if you would like to live in a country goverened by these people. Really, consider that question seriously.
Thanks for taking the time to put some information forward. I did look at their web site some time ago but there was nothing very clear. I think we have an election next year but I realy don't know how I am going to vote, its all such a mess & I feel we need a big shake up / change. I have never NOT voted since I was 18yrs as women struggled in the past so I could vote but I really dont know which way to go
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Tako_400
Tomorrow's coming...
Debater+ 6026 points


17/M/Beirut, Lebanon Join Date: Apr 2009 | sheepy said:
Nah, can't agree with you there.
The whole idea of democracy is freedom of choice. They have the freedom to spout their ideas, and the public should have the choice of defeating them at the ballot box.
It's a very slippery slope to start banning political parties.
It's funny how history repeats itself. It's funny how someday one of these parties is going to rise up and start killing and controlling everyone. And if this is what the people "chose", then I say damn the freedom of choice, too. Ah...I was never a fan of democracy anyways... | | |
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Hinckleylad
Minister+ 11760 points Deleted


39/NA/leicester, United Kingdom Join Date: Nov 2008 | the CRE, commission for racial equality has yesterday launched a high court bid to crush the British national party, by way of saying its membership policy is unfair, biased and racist.
Taking into account that this party is a legally recognised one, that takes part in the democratic process in great britain, and follows all the rules set out by the electoral commision.
i know this party does not hold much sway with a lot of you on these pages, But my question is simply:
WILL THIS LEGAL CHALLENGE WIN?
And if successful, will members of the ethnic minority communities be rushing to join up?
or is it simply another, sad attempt to curtail the freedoms of a party, just like the freedom of speech trials the other year, which the BNP won-twice! | | |
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angelcake
MILF :D
Twinky+ 99402 points


20/F/Eastleigh, United Kingdom Join Date: Aug 2006 | I think the legal challenge will win purely because it's racial discrimination which is unacceptable.
People are entitled to think/believe/say what they want within certain extents (inciting racial hatred or religious hatred) which is fine but to actively prevent people joining a political party because of the colour of their skin isn't acceptable.
I wouldn't worry though I very much doubt black people or other ethnicities will want to join the BNP. | | |
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