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MingLee
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Join Date: Jan 2009 | curiouskat said:
Hehehe, a joke!! oopsie missed that one!!
I think i would chance a bet that it was the Celts who built Stonehenge, for religious rite purposes.
Was it true they found human remains buried there?
Like a final resting place for their 'royalty' maybe??
And you are right about their knowledge being stopped and altered throughout the course of history.
I was quite interested in Paganism in my teenage years and while i was never sure of exact origins it appears that it wasnt even ressurected for general knowledge in modern times until a man named Gerald Gardener came forward with his research on it in the 1950s.
He claimed (and its very unconfirmed) to have taken lessons from an old woman he stumbled across quite by chance. She was said to have been a village 'wise woman' whom was considered 'crazy' by her townsfolk but had possesion of a book 'of shadows' that had been handed down from generation to generation in her family.
The book detailed 'spells', rituals of moon worship (not at all unlike the ones you mention the buddists partaking in) and medical texts (herbal lore)
He took her knowledge and for the first time published it (it was said to have been kept secret because of the witch hunts that had spread throughout Europe by the christians in the 16th and 17th centuries.)
This became quite a controversy and has evolved into all sorts today from paganism to a religion called wicca.
Who knows how true any of this is ofcourse and when a man named Aleister Crowley entered the picture it was turned into a complete fiasco with him creating a group called The golden order of the hermetic dawn. These people claimed ties with both the Alchemists and the Freemasons.
Crowley was quite the nutter and i think it was from him the term 'satanist' evolved.
I also believe that Adolf Hitler used some of these theories in his own beliefs and from his research i learned that these people had ties with the Arians (crap forgot how to spell it!) that you mentioned blended with the people of the Indus valley..
And it was a book written by these kinds of people that i learned my maybe 'biased' view of the Indus valley, lol.
I think that Stonehenge must have had some kind of religious use, but it could just be a calendar. Archaeologists have found graves and grave goods that they interpret to be royal burials of men who might have been leaders of the community. The goods in the graves appear not to be Celtic. The grave goods are bronze age goods. The Celts were iron age people.
Gerald Gardner(died 1964) googles at almost a half a million webpages. Aleister Crowley (died 1947) googles at almost three quarters of a million webpages. Both are some how associated with Wicca or witchcraft.
My science tutor gave me a book by Martin Gardner (age 94), probably no relation, who googles at two million webpages. Martin G loves to study people like Gerald G and Crowley. Your descriptions of Gerald G amd Crowley make me think that Gerald G and Crowlely would have rung a bell for Martin G because they smell of a hoax or maybe simply nonsense.
My first guess is that G Gardner and Crowely had no knowledge of Celtic religion. Anything they had to say would be about twentieth century religion, not bronze age or iron age religion.
One must be careful of authors who use buzz words like witchcraft, alchemist, freemason, an Aryan.
A witch or wizard or sorcerer is a person who uses a potion or an incantation to solve a problem. Of course Harry Potter comes to mind, but in modern society, people who offer potions to solve problems are called drug dealers or pharmacists. The word for witch in the bible is the same as the word for pharmacist. Who do you know who offers incantations? Stockbrokers, politicians, evangelists, radio talk show hosts, priests that would be both Buddhist and Christian? Seems to me we have plenty of witches without trying dredge them up from the Bronze Age.
Alchemists were people who tried to turn an inexpensive substance into an expensive substance. Today well call such people chemical engineers.
Freemasons are a secret society, but modern Freemasons, at least in the United States, are not the same thing as Freemasons in the eighteenth century. And I bet that neither has anything to do with masons who built the cathedrals in Europe. Modern masons raise money to build hospitals, so doctors can treat childhood disease. The eighteenth century Freemasons were somehow involved in the American Revolution. Their contribution might have been the rules of parliamentary procedure. In the nineteenth century, Freemasons, in the United States, were involved in bizarre criminal activity, fixing juries, etc. Their reputation became so bad, that I think the organization disappeared, and the modern Freemasons are a separate organization.
Aryan means people who speak an Indoeuropean language, like Celts, Greeks, Romans, Germans, Slavs, Galatians, Armenians, Iranians, Hittites, or the Aryans who settled in the Indus Valley and replaced the people of Harrapa. |  | |
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curiouskat
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Join Date: May 2009 | MingLee said:
I think that Stonehenge must have had some kind of religious use, but it could just be a calendar. Archaeologists have found graves and grave goods that they interpret to be royal burials of men who might have been leaders of the community. The goods in the graves appear not to be Celtic. The grave goods are bronze age goods. The Celts were iron age people.
Gerald Gardner(died 1964) googles at almost a half a million webpages. Aleister Crowley (died 1947) googles at almost three quarters of a million webpages. Both are some how associated with Wicca or witchcraft.
My science tutor gave me a book by Martin Gardner (age 94), probably no relation, who googles at two million webpages. Martin G loves to study people like Gerald G and Crowley. Your descriptions of Gerald G amd Crowley make me think that Gerald G and Crowlely would have rung a bell for Martin G because they smell of a hoax or maybe simply nonsense.
My first guess is that G Gardner and Crowely had no knowledge of Celtic religion. Anything they had to say would be about twentieth century religion, not bronze age or iron age religion.
One must be careful of authors who use buzz words like witchcraft, alchemist, freemason, an Aryan.
A witch or wizard or sorcerer is a person who uses a potion or an incantation to solve a problem. Of course Harry Potter comes to mind, but in modern society, people who offer potions to solve problems are called drug dealers or pharmacists. The word for witch in the bible is the same as the word for pharmacist. Who do you know who offers incantations? Stockbrokers, politicians, evangelists, radio talk show hosts, priests that would be both Buddhist and Christian? Seems to me we have plenty of witches without trying dredge them up from the Bronze Age.
Alchemists were people who tried to turn an inexpensive substance into an expensive substance. Today well call such people chemical engineers.
Freemasons are a secret society, but modern Freemasons, at least in the United States, are not the same thing as Freemasons in the eighteenth century. And I bet that neither has anything to do with masons who built the cathedrals in Europe. Modern masons raise money to build hospitals, so doctors can treat childhood disease. The eighteenth century Freemasons were somehow involved in the American Revolution. Their contribution might have been the rules of parliamentary procedure. In the nineteenth century, Freemasons, in the United States, were involved in bizarre criminal activity, fixing juries, etc. Their reputation became so bad, that I think the organization disappeared, and the modern Freemasons are a separate organization.
Aryan means people who speak an Indoeuropean language, like Celts, Greeks, Romans, Germans, Slavs, Galatians, Armenians, Iranians, Hittites, or the Aryans who settled in the Indus Valley and replaced the people of Harrapa.
Hehe, i told you what i'd read seems now to be of conjecture.
And ive no idea of the difference of bronze or iron ages!
Time for me to google.
Yes, hoax is a word i would use now for both men,lol
And i would agree they took words and distorted them to suit their purposes, however when i was reading them i took it as gospel wholeheartedly, dum dee dum,lol...
The celts had nothing to do with stonehenge? awww that sucks, i loved that idea! lol
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MingLee
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Join Date: Jan 2009 | curiouskat said:
Hehe, i told you what i'd read seems now to be of conjecture.
And ive no idea of the difference of bronze or iron ages!
Time for me to google.
Yes, hoax is a word i would use now for both men,lol
And i would agree they took words and distorted them to suit their purposes, however when i was reading them i took it as gospel wholeheartedly, dum dee dum,lol...
The celts had nothing to do with stonehenge? awww that sucks, i loved that idea! lol
When you take your history course, the text book and the professor will have definitions of things like stone age, bronze age, and iron age. The words stone, bronze, and iron refer to the material used to make tools. Creatures, who had human hands and feet, began using stone tools before they had human brains. The time when most people made stone tools is called the stone age, and it is measured in hundreds of millenniums, up until maybe ten millenniums ago when people began growing their food. During the last part of the old stone age humans began drawing pictures and making more complex tools like chisels and needles. This part of the stone age is still called the old stone age age, but your text book might have more names for it. That part will be interesting to see.
When people began growing food and living in villages, that's called the New Stone Age, or maybe your text will have a better name. About 5,000 years ago, people learned to use copper to make tools, and they learned that if it is mixed with other metals, it makes harder tools. The harder metal is called bronze. I think the first people to make bronze lived in Iran. This is called the bronze age.
About 3000 years ago, the Hittites learned to use iron tools, so historians refer to the period of time up until the Goths sacked Rome as the iron age. Even after that, iron continued to be the material for tools from everything like clock springs to locomotive boilers, but after Rome, the historians have another way of naming time periods. You might ask your professor why that is.
The nineteenth century might be called the steel age because most things made of iron became things made of steel. Even today, the most common metal is steel, but the twentieth century could be called the aluminum age because the cool things like airplanes and conductors on electric power lines are made of aluminum. The twenty-first century might be called the titanium age because the totally cool things like cell phones, ipods, my Hanna Montana watch, and the white color of my wedding dress use titanium. Of course, I'm Chinese. My mother will insist on a red dress. Or the twenty-first century could be called the teenage because girls just want of have fun. When I went to a Hanna Montana concert, I screamed so much I became hoarse. I never had so much fun, except maybe when a boy asked me to his school's prom. The teenage is definitely the cool age.
The Celts didn’t build Stonehenge, but the Stonehenge people built many henges. They might be more interesting than the Celts, and your text might have a name for them. | | | | Edited: June 26, 2009 @ 05:51 |  |
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MingLee
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Join Date: Jan 2009 | curiouskat said:
Though im not a religious person myself, i love reading about religion. I find all the customs of the world to be beautiful and each hold an integral place within their society whether modern people care to accept this as fact or not.
I have read small things about Chinese religion however it doesnt seem to be as widely spread online as the others.
Buddism is one that i find to be most accurate in a religious sense as it does not impose itself on the others and as you say is more a way of life than a religion as such (as is Hinduism i guess)
I think that when you take out the word 'religion' all together and put in its place 'custom' it makes more sense.
My parents were Atheist and while i respect their right to ask for proof before accepting something as fact, it sure took the mystery out of my childhood!
I think China is very lucky in that all the religion of the west had its persecuters who took their doctrines and warped or totally destroyed them. Where China has mostly been able to keep their history intact.
Do you prescribe to your parents religion??
Like I said, I'm a Catholic, but also, like I said, I'm surrounded by Buddhists, so maybe my lack of knowledge is a bid odd. I've asked my cousins how it works. One reminded me that a Ricard Gere movie link [www.imdb.com] has a Buddhist religious moment. It reminds me of a Catholic religious service known as a rosary. Some Buddhist religious moments are quiet, like some Christian moments. One cousin told me that a Buddhist quiet moment is like Quakers in a Quaker meeting house. No one speaks, The worshipers speak to God, and they look for the way in their lives. It's not so different than Buddhists quietly praying in a temple. | | | | Edited: June 29, 2009 @ 04:07 | |
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