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chisa96
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Join Date: Mar 2008 | what if god didn't create mankind? what if the bible is just plain wrong, and there were no such people as adam, created in gods image, and eve, taken from adam's rib? does that mean there is no such being as god? what if god simply created the universe and watched it develop, if he was the 'big bang' that started everything? what if mankind isnt even all that special? i mean, there's no way that we're the only lifeform that has ever existed... what if we just came about from amoebas, and god just sat back and watched us grow without some specific plan, or desire to influence us? maybe there really is a creator, but we're not the focus of all his attention... maybe we're just kind of like a plant to him... maybe he's just up there watching his seeds expand, not really deeply caring one way or the other whether or not we wilt or bloom...
just a thought...
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BrianM
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Join Date: Nov 2008 | When you grow in your faith, and more importantly, with your relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, these kind of questions cease to hold any meaning. We are not random sequences of events, we are not just going about our lives with some cold, distant outside entity that looks on, too bothered with our trivial lives. He lives in us, and in a large way if we let him. Think of self, your mind, your being, all of the sum of your knowledge, your thoughts, and know that he's fully aware of each and every single one.
There is no Time as we know it in his eyes, in fact, he created time and he stands outside of it, this gives him full capacity to know all along even the most intimate, and seemingly hidden planes of our existence.
One that is capable of manifesting the very energy that comprised of the big bang surely could take it that much further and form the completed living being and all that we see, it's not too far of a stretch when you think about it. I'm observing scientific understandings of the nature of matter, and am grinning with the fact, they are starting to turn back to genesis, they are eventually going to fully support it within it's entirety and this makes me happy.
Things taught in the bible are timeless, if you want to stay ahead of the curve, I'd study it and know that these truths are being proven every day, that even those that completely lack faith of any kind will one day realize, the evidence is irrefutable, and that it was right from the beginning.
For me, it takes little faith, for I feel the Holy Spirit's presence, I very much wish I could share this with you guys, if for only a moment, if you felt what I felt, if you saw what I saw, if you knew along the level I do, you would never have to ask that question again.
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53RV8Nt
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Join Date: Nov 2008 | The Bible says that there is none righteous. Not one. (Romans chapter 3 verse 10). Doing good deeds is like trying to clean ourselves with a dirty rag. However, God has sent His Son, the Lord Jesus, to earth, to live a perfect life, and die on a cross, thereby taking the punishment we all deserve on our behalf. He later rose again, conquering death. Because of the thing He did for us on the cross, anyone who comes to Him, realizing that the deeds of their past are wrong and that they need to change, and asks Him to pardon them for their sins (having confidence that He is able and willing to do so) will be saved from the judgement to come. | | | |
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chisa96
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7391 points
22/F/, Wisconsin
Join Date: Mar 2008 | BrianM said:
When you grow in your faith, and more importantly, with your relationship with God through the Holy Spirit, these kind of questions cease to hold any meaning. We are not random sequences of events, we are not just going about our lives with some cold, distant outside entity that looks on, too bothered with our trivial lives. He lives in us, and in a large way if we let him. Think of self, your mind, your being, all of the sum of your knowledge, your thoughts, and know that he's fully aware of each and every single one.
**so you think we're that special that god us each individual attention? what if he's just watching our civilization develop as a whole, what if he has a better one somewhere else that he's far more proud of?**
There is no Time as we know it in his eyes, in fact, he created time and he stands outside of it, this gives him full capacity to know all along even the most intimate, and seemingly hidden planes of our existence.
**im not questioning his understanding of our universe, simply wondering if its really all gone according to some specific plan that he had in mind from the birth of existence...**
One that is capable of manifesting the very energy that comprised of the big bang surely could take it that much further and form the completed living being and all that we see, it's not too far of a stretch when you think about it. I'm observing scientific understandings of the nature of matter, and am grinning with the fact, they are starting to turn back to genesis, they are eventually going to fully support it within it's entirety and this makes me happy.
**its because he is capable of creating such energy is what leads me to wonder why a group of puny little humans would be worth his undivided attention... and i dont really understand how science is leading towards genesis, dont know how to answer that...**
Things taught in the bible are timeless, if you want to stay ahead of the curve, I'd study it and know that these truths are being proven every day, that even those that completely lack faith of any kind will one day realize, the evidence is irrefutable, and that it was right from the beginning.
**the bible is timeless, and amazing to read... and i think people should live by the messages it puts forth, for the most part... that doesnt make it solid fact though... what if its just a good book that teaches people morals?...**
For me, it takes little faith, for I feel the Holy Spirit's presence, I very much wish I could share this with you guys, if for only a moment, if you felt what I felt, if you saw what I saw, if you knew along the level I do, you would never have to ask that question again.
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edit: i messed that up... most of my post is mixed into the quotes with the stars around it...
living life for its random experiences and their consequences
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chisa96
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22/F/, Wisconsin
Join Date: Mar 2008 | 53RV8Nt said:
The Bible says that there is none righteous. Not one. (Romans chapter 3 verse 10). Doing good deeds is like trying to clean ourselves with a dirty rag. However, God has sent His Son, the Lord Jesus, to earth, to live a perfect life, and die on a cross, thereby taking the punishment we all deserve on our behalf. He later rose again, conquering death. Because of the thing He did for us on the cross, anyone who comes to Him, realizing that the deeds of their past are wrong and that they need to change, and asks Him to pardon them for their sins (having confidence that He is able and willing to do so) will be saved from the judgement to come.
i know... ive read it too...
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BrianM
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Join Date: Nov 2008 | chisa96 said:
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Chisa, with that above poster, he's jumping, way, way too far ahead of what you guys are ready for. I do not teach condemnation, which is what the all falling short is coming across as, for that quote will be mis-interpreted.
If the believers followed my lead, they would see how I like to word things to form an understandable, unencrypted explanation of it all, not forcing them to try to interpret, and in most cases, mis-interpret scripture, for I'd rather they find out that God really does care about each of us on a very fundamental, personal nature.
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chisa96
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22/F/, Wisconsin
Join Date: Mar 2008 | BrianM said:
Chisa, with that above poster, he's jumping, way, way too far ahead of what you guys are ready for. I do not teach condemnation, which is what the all falling short is coming across as, for that quote will be mis-interpreted.
If the believers followed my lead, they would see how I like to word things to form an understandable, unencrypted explanation of it all, not forcing them to try to interpret, and in most cases, mis-interpret scripture, for I'd rather they find out that God really does care about each of us on a very fundamental, personal nature.
hmmm... ur sounding a bit arrogant for a humble teacher of gods word... 
i just think mankind would do well to be open to every possibility... if nothing else it develops our creativity to imagine such other concepts of our creation...
living life for its random experiences and their consequences
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longstock
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21/M/, New Zealand
Join Date: May 2008 | chisa96 said:
what if god didn't create mankind? what if the bible is just plain wrong, and there were no such people as adam, created in gods image, and eve, taken from adam's rib? does that mean there is no such being as god? what if god simply created the universe and watched it develop, if he was the 'big bang' that started everything? what if mankind isnt even all that special? i mean, there's no way that we're the only lifeform that has ever existed... what if we just came about from amoebas, and god just sat back and watched us grow without some specific plan, or desire to influence us? maybe there really is a creator, but we're not the focus of all his attention... maybe we're just kind of like a plant to him... maybe he's just up there watching his seeds expand, not really deeply caring one way or the other whether or not we wilt or bloom...
just a thought...
Well what if the universe is simply the result of an explosion from nothing? Interesting hypothesis.
Well if that is the case I need to get as much 'good living' done in this life as possible, the costs to other people and future generations does not matter because in the end nothing matters.
Life is completely hopeless, there is nothing else, nothing to look forward too. Better to just jump off a cliff and get it over with a few years sooner, after all, what's the point in living?
Thankfully I believe in a creator who does give life meaning, who explains what happens when we die and why we are alive.
Just a thought...
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chisa96
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22/F/, Wisconsin
Join Date: Mar 2008 | longstock said:
Well what if the universe is simply the result of an explosion from nothing? Interesting hypothesis.
Well if that is the case I need to get as much 'good living' done in this life as possible, the costs to other people and future generations does not matter because in the end nothing matters.
Life is completely hopeless, there is nothing else, nothing to look forward too. Better to just jump off a cliff and get it over with a few years sooner, after all, what's the point in living?
Thankfully I believe in a creator who does give life meaning, who explains what happens when we die and why we are alive.
Just a thought...
thats a dark way of looking at it... life would still have meaning... future generations would definately still matter... those are our children... whether theres a god watching us or not, i wouldnt want to trash world so my kid's kids are living in poverty and dying off; that would break my kids hearts... and i certainly wouldnt want to end my life; life is pretty good, and definately worth living one way or the other...
i think so at least...
living life for its random experiences and their consequences
following impulses will ensure a life rich with unpredictability | | | |
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