For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen...

Even demons believe in God...how about you?


Romans 1

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[a] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and tremble."--James 2:19

Apparently even Paul believed in One God--THE prime tenet of Judaism. Of all the pagan things Paul promoted, he didn't have the temerity to challenge that. In fact it was so basic, it probably never even occurred to him. It took 'em 300 years and Rome taking over "Christianity" and destroying (they thought) the competing gospels and writings, to come up with the Trinity--and they were still killing each other over that idea not long ago, even here in the Colonies.

i believe in Cod, im the only one ever held responsible for my actions...and nobody can f*** up my life like i can

Yes the demons believe in God, but more importantly they also know that He isn't a trinity, lol, something you have yet to learn.

All too true for all of us I am afraid, lol.

The answer to that is both yes and no.

The Jews, and Paul,believed in one True God, only one worthy fo worship.

They did however know of other gods, false ones, or lesser ones, in that they knew of other beings that people worshipped.

The bible even calls men gods, but the important thing there is the lower case "g".

Paul later summed it up very clearly at 1 Corinthians 8:5,6 "For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."

That is simply Paul, and the bible, being honest and admitting that there are many others that people worship, some even then worshipped money and sex, putting them even before the one "True God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ".

In fact later he even calls Satan "the god of this system of things".

Why?

Because Satan is often put before the True God, Jehovah, by people, even if they don't realise it.

How?

Because, the whole issue is over Satan's challenge to God that humans would not worship Him unless there was something in it for them.

Prove Satan right and you are putting him before God, in effect worshipping him. Put the True God first and you have answered Satan's challenge with a resounding "you're wrong" at least in your case.

Use one lie in your worship and you are in effect worshipping Satan.

Refuse to worship Jehovah, and you are in effect proving Satan right and therefore against God.

Teach that God and Christ are other than they are, and you area again proving Satan right because God's only major requirement is that we worship with truth.

(John 4:23,24) "23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth".

So, the onus is on each one of us to make 100% sure that our worship is true.

How?

Well God has left us, and protected for us His word.

It has been changed, adulterated to prove false doctrine, but even so it is still possible to rule out the false and find the true. Providing only that you reason on what read, applying the context that runs throughout the bible.

The most important word is "Think". That's why one of my favourite books outside the bible is "Reasoning from the scriptures", a title based on the Record of Paul's ministry at Thessalonica (Acts 17:2,3) "2 So according to Paul’s custom he went inside to them, and for three sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving by references that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and [saying]: “This is the Christ, this Jesus whom I am publishing to YOU.”.

He didn't just tell them, he "reasoned with them from the scripture", teaching them not just what, but why.

The Beroeans also were commended for checking up on what they were told. (Acts 17:11) Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.

Interesting that don't you think?

The Thessalonican congregations were in effect praised for listening but the Beroeans are considered more "noble minded" because they also checked things out in scripture.

So that is what we should all do. Check things out, question, don't just listen, though if you are listening to the right people that is acceptable, but more important to "Make sure of all things, hold fast to what is fine" as the Beroeans obviously did.

So don't just listen, think, comparing what you are taught to scripture, and question, not belligerently, but because you actually want an answer.

Genesis 1

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

Notice the plural!

And the O in our is a capitol letter.

Your attempts to besmirch the good name of Paul are getting more and more desperate it seems. If you know anything at all about scripture you will know Paul taught nothing that Christ did not teach.

You often speak of Paul as promoting Cannibalism, which he did not, but then the same charge was levelled at Christ by many who refused to follow him after hearing what he said at John 6:48-59 “I am the bread of life. 49 YOUR forefathers ate the manna in the wilderness and yet died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that anyone may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and, for a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.”
52 Therefore the Jews began contending with one another, saying: “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 Accordingly Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. 54 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day; 55 for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. It is not as when YOUR forefathers ate and yet died. He that feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 These things he said as he was teaching in public assembly at Ca·per?na·um.

Note particularly the parts I have highlighted.

Was Jesus there espousing Cannibalism? Many thought so, as you do with Paul, but like you they were wrong, that was not what was meant before.

Even Christ's disciples were confused, but at least they accepted that he had "sayings of everlasting life", even if they didn't understand them. So they stayed with him

Paul had those same "sayings of everlasting life" and he tirelessly passed on all that he had learned, supporting himself as he went by working at the trade of tent-maker.

He suffered imprisonments and beatings for the sake of Christ and the Good News.

He even made sure to tell people only to imitate him in ways he imitated Christ.

And what gratitude do people like yourself show for his hard work?

You slander him, spreading lies about him wherever you can.

Well think on,because as scripture tells us. Judge not lest you be judged, because with the judgement that you judge others you yourself will be judged.

Do you want to be judged on the basis of lies, as you judge Paul? Or rather would you prefer to be judged on the basis of truth and honesty?

Speak truth, stop doing Satan's work for him, and you might be saved.

Why do I even bother?

That would be multiple gods... as in more than one god...as in not one and only one god, but multiple gods.... regardless of "rank", "level", "authority"... as in polytheism...

I am glad to see that you have finally come around. The crazy former JW who posts lots of junk has also admitted that he believes in more than one god... which is polytheism.

Kind of like the pagans, who also believe in multiple gods.

Or the father talking to the son in a trinity. Don't ask me though, I dont know how it works.

I do. It is actually a pretty cool idea... relatively speaking.

There is god, who manifests himself to humans in 3 "forms".... father, son & holy spirit.

So, based on the dogma of the "trinity" there is one and only one god. The "trinity" just represents the forms in which he manifests himself to us. It could be more. It could be less. But, for whatever reason, god chose 3...

It is a simple, but (to many) confusing concept. It is not a good comparison, but look at yourself.... you have many "roles" in life.... father, son, pilot, husband, etc. With christianity, god chose to manifest only 3 of all the possible "roles".

Of course it doesn't really answer the business about "we" will make man in "our" image, not some of the psalms.

(As an aside: Your friend and his JW's have an erroneous concept of what the trinity is, thus they deny it. For me, it makes perfect sense.... for a myth.)

It does say....AND GOD SAID... let us...

So the language does confirm it.

Glenn, really... Get over the fact that MCB will comment on your threads, if you make them, he will come.